Generally speaking, the current media system is, imo, the greatest enemy of humanity and the planet.
The BBC particularly, needs to be completely boycotted from today. Their pro-Tory/anti-Labour bias has been disgusting. Fascist enablers.
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Unsurprisingly, the BBC and corporate media aren't mentioning the elephant in the room: the role of the media in this election.
When you have 99% of stories, 99% of the time, 99% negative about Labour and Corbyn, it has a negative impact.
We don't have a free press, we have billionaire-owned corporate press who poison the minds of millions.
- Sequoyah De Souza Vigneswaren
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To all middle class Tory voters - your annoyance at Labour for backing a second referendum, does not justify your support for a racist, ecocidal, deceitful, warmongering thug as PM.
You are all monstrously selfist, racist assholes.
Please go to hell.
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Some initial thoughts.
They will try to blame Corbyn as being "too left wing" but the data does not support that conclusion, on the contrary. In 2010 Brown got 29%, in 2015 Miliband got 30%, then in 2017 Corbyn got 40%. His policies are very popular.
If Labour's policies and leadership were largely the same between 2017 and 2019, what was the key difference that caused the defeat? Labour's Brexit policy.
The Tories knew this was a weakness, hence the "get Brexit done" mantra PR strategy.
In many leave seats it looks like enough Labour voters swung to the Brexit Party/Tories to cut through.
The trend in the data appears to show that the remainiacs insistence on Labour backing a second referendum has been a disaster.
- Sequoyah De Souza Vigneswaren
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Labour leavers haven't voted Tory. They've stayed home. Because they're pissed that their democratic vote was ignored. Backing a second referendum was a huge mistake, but even if they hadn’t done that, we'd still have lost - because of the rancid pro-Tory MSM/BBC.
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We allowed the right set the narrative re Brexit. Labour remainers should've accepted the ref result and immediately begun creating a left vision for exiting the EU. But this was difficult, given much of PLP had no intention of recognising the result, and given immense pressure from establishment for 2nd ref.
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It’s important we direct our anger at the manipulators, not the manipulated. Focus your ire at the media, not the working class.
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Saying ‘if a centrist candidate had led Labour, they’d have won’, is not just moronically wrong, it’s also a giant ‘fuck you’ to the poor, to Yemen, to the climate.
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Corbyn’s failing is that he’s too much of a pro-democracy, anti-racist, anti-war, informed, intelligent, man of the people. Such a person will never be allowed into Downing Street.
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If you‘d like to address climate change, end oil wars, end poverty, and reverse NHS privatisation, then the ‘extreme left’ is the only option. The Labour manifesto was our chance to focus on all these things, and like him or not, this would not have been the case if not for Corbyn’s leadership.
The ‘centre’ led us to where we are today. Decades of neoliberalism/austerity, led to increasing inequality and the destruction of community, making many people angry and easy targets of the far-right.
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Corbyn is way too good for this deeply racist, rotten country. We’ve a helluva lot of waking up to do before someone as informed and decent as him stands a chance. And it’ll most likely be too late by then.
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Having someone as PM who actually understands how the world works and wants change, was the only thing giving me some hope for the future; for peace, justice, the environment. Have been in a state of shock all day. Crying now. Devastated. Our country is dominated by cunts, in the media etc. I imagine the Tories will be in power for the foreseeable. They’ll give enough people just enough to keep them happy, and the media will continue manufacturing consent for their increasing authoritarianism, their privatisation of the NHS, their subservience to the US, etc.
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The centrist, liberal establishment will always side with fascism when threatened by a bit of socialism. Liberal media’s vilification of Corbyn and general bias against Labour during this election campaign, again makes this clear.
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I’m sad for Yemen, for Palestine, for Venezuela, for Bolivia, etc. Ever since learning about how the world works, I’ve realised how important it is for a country like the UK, at the heart of the capitalist empire, to elect an anti-imperialist government. Corbyn was our chance.
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It was centrists who backed austerity, which fuelled the anger that led to Brexit.
It was centrists who who prevented a customs union Brexit.
It was centralists who pushed for a people’s vote, the thing most responsible for Labour’s loss.
Now these centrists seem to think they have a right to take back the party.
Completely bananas.
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Thatcher/Reagan, and the elite class they served, are ultimately responsible for all the shit happening today.
You can’t destroy the whole notion of society/community, then expect anything other than division and hell.
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That centrists have decided Scandinavia-style economics are ‘extremist’ exposes them once again as the true extremists!
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Under Corbyn’s leadership, Labour came within 2,200 votes of winning in 2017, with the biggest vote share they’d had since 1945.
Anyone trying to say Labour’s economic (and foreign) policies were’t popular and electable, is a liar. THEY are the extremists.
What changed since then? Brexit polarisation (largely caused by Remainer refusal to recognise the ref), an even more intense and horrid propaganda campaign, and yeah - failings by the leadership/movement. Unfortunately, it seems Labour was done for the moment they started blocking Brexit.
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End of 2017, Labour were polling 45%, Tories were on 37%.
Don't let anyone try and say that Labour's policy agenda under Corbyn wasn't popular!!
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Chair of the ‘People’s Vote’ campaign, and brother of Amber, Roland Rudd, got his wish. Corbyn toppled. The PV campaign was an establishment hit job against Corbyn/the left, from the off.
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Crackdown on dissent begins.
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Corbyn’s main problem was that he’s not a dick. Too fair. Too kind. Too truthful. Too ‘unpatriotic’. Too anti-racist.
He dared to condemn the Empire, and all the heinous criminality of the British state since. Not allowed!
Despite this, Labour did well under him in 2017. Perhaps many voters just weren’t fully aware of his anti-war record by then?
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Many of us tried to explain to pro-second referendum Remainers that ignoring the ref result would piss off Labour leavers and cock up any hope of Labour winning an election.
We warned that if we didn’t back a soft Brexit, we would end up with a hard Brexit.
It fell on deaf ears.
We were right, but I bloody wish we weren’t. 😔
Lesson? Never listen to liberals/'centrists'.
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Were many Leave voters not actually voting to Leave - they were really just voting to make their government actually do what they’re asked, for a change?
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On the face of it, holding a second referendum was a totally reasonable policy in my view, because the first was so ambiguous, but it should have been recognised that voters, mainly in the midlands/north, who’ve had their communities destroyed and pretty been ignored since Thatcher, would see this as yet another betrayal by the political elite in London.
This was not recognised by the centre, either out of ignorance, or just an inability to recognise that it is their entire centrist neoliberal ideology that was to blame.
Corbyn did recognise it. But he was backed into a corner, following a media campaign for ‘people’s vote’, by those centrists, and backed by much of the PLP and Labour membership, (which was in part, just as much about removing him from power, as it was about stopping Brexit).
Could he have been a stronger leader and resisted it? I’m honestly not convinced that was possible, but perhaps. Either way, the failure was to not put every effort into targeting those areas once the decision was made, to back the referendum. (Though I doubt any effort would’ve been enough).
Corbyn’s plan for some kind of soft Brexit was always the most responsible path forward. But that was denied by centrist/establishment campaign to not accept anything other than a people’s vote.
This would all be very different imo, if we had a media that was focussed on informing people, that made clear to all voters in those areas Corbyn’s record of sticking up for the rights of ordinary people, and Labour’s plans for Green revolution which would revitalised these areas and created loads of jobs. But alas.
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We need to separate the previously Labour-voting working classes who’ve been done over by politicians for decades, felt done over again by calls for a second referendum, and so voted, however misguidedly, to ‘get Brexit done’, from middle class southerners who would have voted for Boris Johnson either way, and now do so on pretense of democracy/‘getting Brexit done’, even though Boris Johnson is an anti-democratic disgrace who wants to sell what’s left of our country to US corporations, who supports fascism around the world, who wants to suppress votes, who threatens media, who imprisons journalists, who supports hereditary House of Lords, etc.
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Witnessing the horrific, Orwellian media vilification of Jeremy Corbyn sure makes you wonder what/who else we’ve been lied to about over the years. Especially pre-internet, when there was no way for us to debunk the lies.
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Thatcher/Reagan, and the elite class they served, are ultimately responsible for all the shit happening today.
You can’t destroy the whole notion of society/community, then expect anything other than division and hell.
.........................
That centrists have decided Scandinavia-style economics are ‘extremist’ exposes them once again as the true extremists!
.........................
Under Corbyn’s leadership, Labour came within 2,200 votes of winning in 2017, with the biggest vote share they’d had since 1945.
Anyone trying to say Labour’s economic (and foreign) policies were’t popular and electable, is a liar. THEY are the extremists.
What changed since then? Brexit polarisation (largely caused by Remainer refusal to recognise the ref), an even more intense and horrid propaganda campaign, and yeah - failings by the leadership/movement. Unfortunately, it seems Labour was done for the moment they started blocking Brexit.
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End of 2017, Labour were polling 45%, Tories were on 37%.
Don't let anyone try and say that Labour's policy agenda under Corbyn wasn't popular!!
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Chair of the ‘People’s Vote’ campaign, and brother of Amber, Roland Rudd, got his wish. Corbyn toppled. The PV campaign was an establishment hit job against Corbyn/the left, from the off.
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Crackdown on dissent begins.
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Corbyn’s main problem was that he’s not a dick. Too fair. Too kind. Too truthful. Too ‘unpatriotic’. Too anti-racist.
He dared to condemn the Empire, and all the heinous criminality of the British state since. Not allowed!
Despite this, Labour did well under him in 2017. Perhaps many voters just weren’t fully aware of his anti-war record by then?
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Many of us tried to explain to pro-second referendum Remainers that ignoring the ref result would piss off Labour leavers and cock up any hope of Labour winning an election.
We warned that if we didn’t back a soft Brexit, we would end up with a hard Brexit.
It fell on deaf ears.
We were right, but I bloody wish we weren’t. 😔
Lesson? Never listen to liberals/'centrists'.
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Were many Leave voters not actually voting to Leave - they were really just voting to make their government actually do what they’re asked, for a change?
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This was not recognised by the centre, either out of ignorance, or just an inability to recognise that it is their entire centrist neoliberal ideology that was to blame.
Corbyn did recognise it. But he was backed into a corner, following a media campaign for ‘people’s vote’, by those centrists, and backed by much of the PLP and Labour membership, (which was in part, just as much about removing him from power, as it was about stopping Brexit).
Could he have been a stronger leader and resisted it? I’m honestly not convinced that was possible, but perhaps. Either way, the failure was to not put every effort into targeting those areas once the decision was made, to back the referendum. (Though I doubt any effort would’ve been enough).
Corbyn’s plan for some kind of soft Brexit was always the most responsible path forward. But that was denied by centrist/establishment campaign to not accept anything other than a people’s vote.
This would all be very different imo, if we had a media that was focussed on informing people, that made clear to all voters in those areas Corbyn’s record of sticking up for the rights of ordinary people, and Labour’s plans for Green revolution which would revitalised these areas and created loads of jobs. But alas.
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We need to separate the previously Labour-voting working classes who’ve been done over by politicians for decades, felt done over again by calls for a second referendum, and so voted, however misguidedly, to ‘get Brexit done’, from middle class southerners who would have voted for Boris Johnson either way, and now do so on pretense of democracy/‘getting Brexit done’, even though Boris Johnson is an anti-democratic disgrace who wants to sell what’s left of our country to US corporations, who supports fascism around the world, who wants to suppress votes, who threatens media, who imprisons journalists, who supports hereditary House of Lords, etc.
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Witnessing the horrific, Orwellian media vilification of Jeremy Corbyn sure makes you wonder what/who else we’ve been lied to about over the years. Especially pre-internet, when there was no way for us to debunk the lies.
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